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ps3 multiman systems for sale from r - r depend on what harddrive u pick, 320 gig, 500 gig or gig, will load it with games o...

OUR CONSOLES ARE SERVICED BY QUALIFIED TECHNICIANS. CHRISTMAS PACKAGING AVAILABLE. PS3 Games & Packages are; * 120gb PS3 with 10 games Rgb PS3 with 15 games Rgb PS3 with 25 games Rgb PS3 with 30 games Rgb PS3 with 50 games RTB PS3 with 70 games for R (on Request only pending on availability). * Multi system plays all music formats including MP3 and store it as well. * View all yours Pic via usb or load it onto the PS3. *Showtime media player allows you to watch All movie formats including Blue-Ray and HD movies and store it as well. *One Original Controller *Charging cable *Power Cable *AVI or HDMI cable supplied with all 250gb, 350g, 500gb & 1TB machines. We do have machines ready for collection. Or SELECT YOUR OWN GAMES. Serious buyers only & not negotiable so cash only. Emails, calls or Whatsapp are welcome Or FOR FURTHER INFORMATION. Looking forward to your reply

1x Seagate 1tb 3.5' external harddrive usb 2.0 +cables with 100x ps3 games New condition_ Rx Western digital 2tb 3.5' external harddrive usb 2.0 +cables with 200x ps3 games New condition_ R We delivery around cape town for extra!! No swaps or offers please!!! Contact me  via whatsapp,sms, call, email

Ps3 320GB for sale R2700Neg. Console has multi man hack on and comes with 6controlls. Selling COD black ops 2 R250

Buy Multi Function Gaming Headphones Ps4/Ps3/Xbox/Pc for R550.00

This item is sold brand new. It will be ordered from our supplier and normally ships in 5 to 7 working days MotoGP™ official license: MotoGP™13 is the official videogame of one of the most famous brands in sports. The game features all the official contents of  Championship: real MotoGP™, Moto2™ and Moto3™ riders, teams, tracks and rules are in the game, thus you can complete the new season before it actually occurs: will you be the new world champion? Into MotoGP™ world: loyalty to MotoGP™ spirit in all aspects of the game, from photorealistic graphics to TV style interface, including menus, sounds and Real Event Challenges: with this game mode you can relive the hottest moments of real races at home! You are the rider: thanks to a realistic handling you can really feel the bike in your hands and you can choose to ride with scalable aids or in pure simulative way for real fans! A new immersive career mode, with first person elements like 3d pits and helmet view, grants a full immersion in the riders shoes! Multi player and PlayStation Move Racing Wheel Support: Spilt Screen and exciting on-line multi player with different game modes (Quick Race, Championship, Sprint Season) grant hours of entertainment. And with PlayStation Move Racing Wheel you can control your bike simply moving the handlebar.

WINNER OF BEST ACTION GAME AND BEST ON LINE MULTI PLAYER  THE AWESOME POWER OF FROST BITE 2 TECHNOLOGY TAKES DESTRUCTION, SCALE, AND IMMERSION TO UNPRECEDENTED LEVELS. ENGAGE IN ALL OUT WARFARE WITH AWARD WINNING MULTI PLAYER OR TEAM UP WITH A FRIEND IN INTENSE CO-OP MISSIONS  AUTHENTIC SINGLE PLAYER COMBAT DELIVERS A TRUE WARRIORS EXPERIENCE IN THE GLOBAL WAR OF TOMORROW. FROM GAME DISPLAY STOCK ITEM NOT SEALED

Sony Playstation 3 320GB Slimline, 1 x controller, Immaculate condition, HDMI cable, Multi -Man, 15 x PS3 Games Games are: Fifa 16 Grand Theft Auto V Far Cry 4 Batman Origins Mortal Kombat 9 Granturismo 6 Need for speed rivals Don bradman cricket WWE 2K16 Assassins creed rogue Battlefield Hardline Call of duty Advanced Warefare Tekken Tournament 2 Naruto ultimate Ninja Storm 3 Splinter Cell Blacklist Selling at R3100 NOT NEG/ NO SWOPS

OUR CONSOLES ARE SERVICED BY QUALIFIED TECHNICIANS. * 120gb PS3 with 10 games Rgb PS3 with 15 games Rgb PS3 with 25 games Rgb PS3 with 30 games Rgb PS3 with 50 games RTB PS3 with 70 games for R (one available with 95 latest games).  * Multi system plays all music formats including MP3 and store it as well. * View all yours Pic via usb or load it onto the PS3. *Showtime media player allows you to watch All movie formats including Blue-Ray and HD movies and store it as well. *One Original Controller *Charging cable *Power Cable *AVI or HDMI cable supplied with all 250gb, 350g, 500gb & 1TB machines. We do have machines ready for collection. Or SELECT YOUR OWN GAMES. Serious buyers only & not negotiable so cash only. Emails, calls or Whatsapp are welcome Or FOR FURTHER INFORMATION. Looking forward to your reply

THE ULTIMATE SPORTING SHOW DOWN COMPETE IN THE SERIES OF ULTRA REALISTIC EVENTS THAT DEMAND ACCURACY, ABILITY AND SKILL JUST LIKE REAL SPORT. YOUR MOVEMENTS IS THE KEY TO SUCCESS IN  EACH EVENT SO JUST HOW GOOD CAN YOU GET PERFECT REAL LIFE SPORTING TECHNIQUES GRIP YOUR BOW, REACH FOR AN ARROW, TAKE AIM, PULL BACK AND FLY. USE ONE OR TWO PLAYSTATION MOVE MOTION CONTROLLERS TO PLAY BEACH VOLLEY BALL, DISC GOLF, GLADIATOR DUEL, ARCHERY, TABLE TENNIS AND BOCCE. CHALLENGE YOUR FRIENDS TO MULTI PLAYER MATCHES AND WORK UP A SWEAT TO PROVE YOUR THE GREATEST CHAMPION OF THEM ALL. FROM GAME DISPLAY STOCK ITEM NOT SEALED  

150G Ps3 Console with: 1. Two Dualshock, Six Axis Sony controllers in working order. 2. One controller charger, power cable and standard AV multi output cable. 3. Working HDMI Cable. 4. 10 Different games (shown in photo which excludes Assassin's Creed Black Flag). 5. Turtle Beach PLA Headset in working order with a microphone for online play!!!

PS3 Multi MN Service - R600 Contact: 797 - show phone - Call/email/whatsapp Situated in Southern Suburbs Cape Town Quick Turnaround R600

Serious audio quality, lightweight components and design together with Special Ops military styling... For serious gamers only! Lightweight headband with metal adjusters: Designed to disperse contact for comfort and reduce weight overall with sturdy metal adjusters for a perfect fit Speaker drivers: 20mm High Quality stereo drivers delivering crisp highs, deep lows and everything in between. This headset minimizes distortion so you only hear what you want to hear Micro-fibre muffers: For keeping you cool during marathon game playing Military styling: Rubber coated components topped with a midnight digital camo fascia GIO-EX5UNI-11-ML

mint condition. comes with two controlers and 1 tb games. make me a offer and please be realistic...

Ps3 all cables one control over 30 latest on board games plus god of war 3 and crysis 2 games for neg. whatsapp me if interested

MAY FLASH MULTI MAX SHOOTER MOUSE KEYBOARD CONVERTER FOR PS3/PS4/XBOX360/XBOX ONE Descriptions: - Allows you to play more quickly and precisely with your mouse and keyboard on the PS3, PS4, Xbox 360* and Xbox One. - Easy and simple plug and play thanks to optimized default setting. - Two options for the Key Programming: by Keyboard or by PC. You can easily change the key configuration by your PC computer or by our converter directly. - Provides great reactivity when playing ego shooter games - 9 different speed levels selectable for the mouse - 9 selectable sensitivity adjustments for optimum precise setting dependent on the mouse and game All buttons of the PS3, PS4, Xbox 360 and Xbox One controller can be assigned as desired on the mouse and keyboard - Up to 11 different button assignment profiles can be stored at the same time - Thanks to the 11 freely programmable profiles, even games with different control can be played identically - Adjustable turbo and auto fire function for quick, automatically repeated activation of a key - Many other optional settings possible (e.g. reversing the Y-axis of the mouse) - Support the data update. The latest game configurations and hardware compatibility will be updated on May Flash's official website. - *(need original xbox 360 wired controller for verify) Size: approximately 9.4 x 7.5 x 1.8cm (main adapter) Cable Length: approximately 195cm Package Includes: 1 x Multi Max Shooter Mouse/Keyboard Converter for PS3/PS4/Xbox 360/ Xbox One

MAY FLASH MULTI MAX SHOOTER MOUSE KEYBOARD CONVERTER FOR PS3/PS4/XBOX360/XBOX ONE Descriptions: - Allows you to play more quickly and precisely with your mouse and keyboard on the PS3, PS4, Xbox 360* and Xbox One. - Easy and simple plug and play thanks to optimized default setting. - Two options for the Key Programming: by Keyboard or by PC. You can easily change the key configuration by your PC computer or by our converter directly. - Provides great reactivity when playing ego shooter games - 9 different speed levels selectable for the mouse - 9 selectable sensitivity adjustments for optimum precise setting dependent on the mouse and game All buttons of the PS3, PS4, Xbox 360 and Xbox One controller can be assigned as desired on the mouse and keyboard - Up to 11 different button assignment profiles can be stored at the same time - Thanks to the 11 freely programmable profiles, even games with different control can be played identically - Adjustable turbo and auto fire function for quick, automatically repeated activation of a key - Many other optional settings possible (e.g. reversing the Y-axis of the mouse) - Support the data update. The latest game configurations and hardware compatibility will be updated on May Flash's official website. NOTICE FOR XBOX 360 USERS -  *(You will need original xbox 360 wired controller to verify and use) Size: approximately 9.4 x 7.5 x 1.8cm (main adapter) Cable Length: approximately 195cm Package Includes: 1 x Multi Max Shooter Mouse/Keyboard Converter for PS3/PS4/Xbox 360/ Xbox One

NBA 2K13 was a monstrous release for the world's #1 NBA video game franchise, with more than 38 Sports Game of the Year and "Best Of" mentions. NBA 2K14 will raise the bar yet again, providing the best basketball gaming experience for legions of sports fans and gamers around the world. Crews - The single-most requested game mode is back! Face off against opposing crews online using your MyPLAYER. Create your logo and face off in 5v5 battles with other crews featuring leaderboards and stats. (PS3 & Xbox 360 only) Dynamic Living Rosters® powered by Stats, Inc. - Player attributes and tendencies automatically update daily to reflect true life hot and cold streaks. Now, each game played in the NBA can have an effect on your game. King James Soundtrack - Featuring artists and tracks hand-picked by LeBron James, including JAY Z, Eminem, The Black Keys, Daft Punk, and many more. MyTEAM - Back and better than ever, with new player modes, multi and single player tournaments, and much more. (PS3 & Xbox 360 only) Pro Stick - Throw down show-stopping moves, pull off intricate shots, and toss flashy no-look passes with deadly accuracy with Pro Stick control. Easily the most intuitive basketball controls ever implemented. Signature Skills - Six new Signature Skills, ensuring each NBA player's unique abilities are represented in the most authentic way possible. More Signature Styles - New jump shots, dunk and layup packages, dribble moves, free throws, pre-game intros, getbacks, celebrations and more. Depth of Content - With significant upgrades in nearly every aspect of the game, both on and off the court, NBA 2K14 boasts more animation content than any previous basketball title, and includes more than new animations.  

Summer Challenge (PS3) Brand New In Box (Sealed but sometimes supplied without film wrapping) THIS PRODUCT IS IMPORTED ON ORDER - PLEASE SEE "SHIPPING & PAYMENT" FOR DELIVERY TIMES Game Information Platform:   PlayStation 3 PEGI Rating: Ages 3 and Over Media: Video Game Item Quantity: 1 Product details Release Date: 2 Sep Product Description Summer Challenge ¿¿¿ Athletics Tournament offers a fast-paced sports entertainment experience for the enthusiast and the entire family. Challenge the world¿¿¿s best athletes in 20 disciplines playing in single or multi player game modes (online / split screen). Bring the excitement of major competitions into your living room with photo realistic stadiums and atmospheric sound. Summer Challenge includes the most popular and diverse sports with up to four players in head to head competition or challenge your skill in single player career mode. Compare your performance against the rest of the world via online leader boards. Features: 20 events split across 8 different disciplines Up to 4 player simultaneous play via online play or local split screen Online global leaderboards Single player Summer Challenge career mode Individual difficulty levels for each event allowing you to set your own challenge Photo-realistic sports arenas Events: 100 meters 200 meters 400 meters 110 hurdles meters Javelin Shot-put Discus Hammer High Jump Pole Vault Long Jump Triple Jump 100 meter Freestyle (Swimming) 100 meter Butterfly (Swimming) 70 meter Compound (Archery) 50 meter Recurve (Archery) Diving Gymnastics Fencing

Disney Sing It: High School Musical 3 Senior Year (PS3) Brand New In Box (Sealed but sometimes supplied without film wrapping) THIS PRODUCT IS IMPORTED ON ORDER - PLEASE SEE "SHIPPING & PAYMENT" FOR DELIVERY TIMES Game Information Platform:   PlayStation 3 Media: Video Game Item Quantity: 1 Product details Item Weight: 27 g Release Date: 28 Nov Product Description 1.Quick Play Mode Allows the player to get straight into singing Player can select any song within tracklist, difficulty level and if the song normally is a duet, which part they want to play With 2 microphones, players can chose from Duet, Versus or Solo Performance is rated 2. Single Player Mode 2.1 Sing It! School Practice difficult elements of songs Unlock extra and secret content Divided in lessons focussing on a particular singing skill such as pitch, accuracy, breathing and harmony Each lesson hosted by VO actor/ coach Player gets 3 tries to reach max score. If achieved he gets a digital sticker to collect in the digital sticker book 2. 2 Gig Mode 2.3 Challenge Mode 3. Multi Player Mode 3.1 Duet 3.2 Versus 3.3 Gig Mode 3.4 Team Play up to 8 players can play in 2 teams Versus Duet Mix n Match Product DescriptionSing It! School

NBA 2K14 (PS3) Brand New In Box (Sealed but sometimes supplied without film wrapping) THIS PRODUCT IS IMPORTED ON ORDER - PLEASE SEE "SHIPPING & PAYMENT" FOR DELIVERY TIMES Game Information Platform:   PlayStation 3 PEGI Rating: Unknown Media: Video Game Product details Release Date: 4 Oct Product Description NBA 2K13 was a monstrous release for the world's #1 NBA video game franchise, with more than 38 Sports Game of the Year and "Best Of" mentions. NBA 2K14 will raise the bar yet again, providing the best basketball gaming experience for legions of sports fans and gamers around the world. Product Description NBA 2K13 was a monstrous release for the world's #1 NBA video game franchise, with more than 38 Sports Game of the Year and "Best Of" mentions. NBA 2K14 will raise the bar yet again, providing the best basketball gaming experience for legions of sports fans and gamers around the world. Featuring 14 of the top Euroleague teams including this year¿¿¿s Final Four Olympiacos Piraeus, Real Madrid, CSKA Moscow and FC Barcelona Includes accurate player statistics and likenesses of top Euroleague players Play Euroleague matches or pit your favorite Euroleage team against any NBA franchise Crews - The single-most requested game mode is back! Face off against opposing crews online using your MyPLAYER. Create your logo and face off in 5v5 battles with other crews featuring leaderboards and stats. Dynamic Living Rosters powered by Stats, Inc. - Player attributes and tendencies automatically update daily to reflect true life hot and cold streaks. Now, each game played in the NBA can have an effect on your game. King James Soundtrack - Featuring artists and tracks hand-picked by LeBron James, including JAY Z, Eminem, The Black Keys, Daft Punk, and many more. MyTEAM - Back and better than ever, with new player modes, multi and single player tournaments, and much more.

The SteelSeries Siberia V2 for PS3 is a wired multi platform console and PC headset, based on the award winning design continuing on from the Siberia line of headsets, combined with the LiveMix technology from the Spectrum line. On PlayStation, the headset is connected through USB for chat audio, and analogue for game audio. PC connectivity is through USB or analogue connection. Support for dual connections to PC, making it possible to control individual application sound levels on the AudioMixer. On Xbox 360, the user can connect the AudioMixer to a Xbox 360 controller, for full chat functionality. The ID matches the PlayStation as well as the PlayStation controllers. SS

Product Description2.4GHz Dual Shock Wireless Multi-Controller/Gamepad for PS3/PS2/PC Highlights / Product Details 2.4GHz Wireless Operating frequency3-in-1 multi-device control: PS3, PS2, PCSupports operating distance of up to 8-10 meter (max 14 meters)Built-in double high-quality motor for mega vibrationExternal double AA batteries power designed, endurance capacity of more than 10 hoursLow voltage indication, in order to stabilize your gaming experience, controller will be automatically shut down the motor when operating on low voltageSupport multi-loop signalNo mutual interference when in simultaneous controlReceiver IncludedPackage DetailsWeight: 276 g Size: 21.5 x 14.5 x 9 cmPackage Contents1x Wireless Controller for PS3, PS2 and PC (2.4Ghz, Black) BRAND NEW, SEALED IN THE PACKAGEDECIBEL AUDIO & ACCESSORIESPLEASE NOTE: Our Address & Contact Details are Displayed below the Picture in the Advert **ALL CUSTOMERS, PLEASE SEE BELOW** Like our Facebook page & stand a chance to WIN *R* Voucher Draw will be done when we've reached *500* likes and the winner will be Posted on our Page. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Decibel-Audio-Accessories/

Selling my PlayStation gig with 2 Dual Shock Controllers, including PlayStation Move with 1 Move Controller, 2 PS3 Singstar Mics, goods are in excellent condition, package also include 17 PS3 Games Sniper 2 Ghost Warrior Call of Duty Black Ops Call of Duty Ghosts Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 Call of Duty 4 Modern Warfare Medal of Honor Grand Theft Auto V Saints Row The Third FIFA 12 Pro Evolution Soccer Sports Champions (PlayStation Move Game) Sports Champions 2 (PlayStation Move Game) Singstar + Dance (PlayStation Move Game) Start the Party (PlayStation Move Game) Gran Turismo 5 Rio (Multi Player Party Game) Nat Geo Quiz Wild Life Selling all goods for R

   JONAH LOMU: RUGBY CHALLENGE 2- FEATURING THE LIONS TOUR  PS3  GAME   Refined and expanded gameplay with the addition of quick taps, quick lineouts, mauls from lineouts, interceptions, contesting ball at the breakdown, removing players from the ruck, number 8 scrum pickups, and dynamic in game team strategies. Revamped Sound and commentary systems, with realtime commentary from Grant Nisbett and former All Black Justin Marshall, along with French language commentary from Eric Bayle and Thomas Lombard. Game modes including Match Mode, Multi-team, Competition, expanded multi year Career Mode, Tutorial mode and online up to 4v4 multiplayer. 110+ teams and 50+ stadia from around the world featured including official team, competition, and special match licenses. SOME SCREEN SHOTS OF THIS GREAT GAME:     CONDITION OF THE GAME: DISC: A: EXCELLENT/LIKE NEW. B: VERY GOOD (MIGHT HAVE VERY FINE SCRATCHES, IT WILL PLAY FINE) C: -AVERAGE: GAME HAS SURFACE SCRATCHES - GAME IS STILL GUARANTEED TO PLAY. D: - BUNDLE COPY COVER: A:  EXCELLENT/LIKE NEW. B: - VERY GOOD (MIGHT HAVE VERY FINE SCRATCHES).     C:  SCRATCHED OR CHIPPED COVER AND/OR MISSING BOOKLET  D: BUNDLE COPY DISC COVER A B ADDITIONAL NOTES/PROBLEMS:   NONE PLEASE CLICK ON THE LOGO BELOW TO SEE OUR OTHER AWESOME BARGAINS !                                                 V V V V V V V   

  Silicone Analog Thumb Grips for PS4 PS3 and Xbox X 2 Available in Red, Black, Blue, White, Orange, Grey, Yellow, Green, Pink and Multi colour. Please choose colour when placing order.  Package includes 2 x silicone analog thumb grips Controller not included

Disney Sing It: High School Musical 3 Senior Year (PS3) Platform: PlayStation 3 Condition: New Other versions of this game available from us: Platform: Pre-Owned/Used: Very Good Condition copies available Product Description Sing It! School Manufacturer's Description 1.Quick Play Mode Allows the player to get straight into singing Player can select any song within tracklist, difficulty level and if the song normally is a duet, which part they want to play With 2 microphones, players can chose from Duet, Versus or Solo Performance is rated 2. Single Player Mode 2.1 Sing It! School Practice difficult elements of songs Unlock extra and secret content Divided in lessons focussing on a particular singing skill such as pitch, accuracy, breathing and harmony Each lesson hosted by VO actor/ coach Player gets 3 tries to reach max score. If achieved he gets a digital sticker to collect in the digital sticker book 2. 2 Gig Mode 2.3 Challenge Mode 3. Multi Player Mode 3.1 Duet 3.2 Versus 3.3 Gig Mode 3.4 Team Play up to 8 players can play in 2 teams Versus Duet Mix n Match

Introduction: nail'd is all about eschewing boring realism for over the top arcade fun. It's a racer that challenges everything from player reflexes to the rules of physics. Riding on ATVs and motocross bikes with powerful boost controls, players will race down near-vertical courses of incredible jumps, stunts and obstacles. The brutal challenge of the Yosemite National Park is but one of the many places they'll learn the meaning of verticality. nail'd's single-player campaign features multiple configurable modes and races including Tournament, Time Attack and Quick Event. The multi-player mode allows players to compete head to head in a range of race-types locally or online. Earned points will determine a player's position on leader boards. Based on the player's performance and ability to pull off stunning feats of speed and glory during each race, they'll unlock exciting new components to customize their vehicle. Features: High-Octane Speed: nail'd aims to be the fastest off-road racer of them all - each track is engineered to keep players on the edge of their seat with anticipation of what's behind the next hairpin bend. What's more, nail'd focuses on players utilizing its amazing turbo boost ability for incentives rather than points, supercharging the game's sense of lightning-fast speed. Extreme Terrain: nail'd, while set in real-life locations such as Yosemite Park, is designed to reflect the over-the-top arcade nature of the game. This is a world where impossible tracks and broken and bent laws of physics reign supreme! Over the Top Jumps: There's nothing like flying off a cliff edge and then falling half a mile towards the ground. Sounds like fun? Throw-in dodging the blades of several towering wind turbines and struggling to nail the perfect landing with your opponents trying to knock you from your ride. If 'big air' in other games is earth-sized, nail'd is like a twin galaxy of stomach-in-mouth terror. Intense Head to Head Action: Up to 11 AI opponents will keep players on their toes; they say death comes from above and that's very often the case in nail'd. It's not all one way though, players can knock opponents from their vehicles and for extreme punishment they can deal a crushing blow from the sky by landing on top of their opponents. Straightforward Arcade Fun: It's not about gear ratios and weight distribution - nail'd is simply push button -> go fast -> try not to die in a ball of flaming doom! Easy to pick up gameplay and over the top environments, jumps and spectacular deaths make this game a thrill to play or even sit back and watch. Stunning Visual Effects and Outdoor Environments: Using Techland's Chrome Engine 4, nail'd features cutting-edge visuals including expansive vistas, highly complex geometry and a host of visual effects such as mud and water splashes. Specifications: Publisher: Deep Silver Developer: Techland Platform: PlayStation 3 Release Date: 04/02/2011 Genre: Racing Rated: Everyone (10+) > Lyrics > Mild Violence Players: 1; Multi

Introduction: Call of Duty: Black Ops takes you deep behind enemy lines into the world of deniable operations as a member of an elite special forces unit engaging in covert warfare, classified operations, and explosive conflicts across the globe. With access to a variety of exclusive weaponry and equipment, your actions will tip the balance during the most dangerous time period mankind has ever known. Features: An epic campaign and story that keeps you glued to edge of your seat from start to finish. Call of Duty's signature Multiplayer gameplay with deeper levels of character customization, and all new modes like Wager Matches, the Theater, and Combat Training which can be played Solo or Co Op. Zombies! Providing endless hours of intense Zombie-slaying entertainment, Solo or Co-Op. Specifications: Publisher: Activision Developer: Treyarch Platform: PlayStation 3 Release Date: 09/11/2010 Genre: Historic First-Person Shooter Rated: Mature (17+) > Blood & Gore > Intense Violence > Strong Language Players: 1; Multi

We do repairs and selling *psp, ps3 repairs and upgrades and updates *psp iso games R15ea (150 to choose from) *ps3 multi system games R20ea (after 5 it is R10ea) (over 250 to choose from)_ bring harddrive or console!! *downgrade for ps3 R200 (must include installation) *Latest firmware + multi system R600 + games free Contact me via email, whatsapp, call, sms Local only!!